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01/08 - A Personal View – Flight training, an ageless endeavor
I’ve been a flight instructor for a number of years, focusing primarily on training sport pilot and private pilot students. Frequently, I get asked questions about age. How old should my son or daughter be to begin flight lessons? Or, I’m nearly 70 years of age. Am I too old to learn?
(Take a moment and check the Q & A section of this e-newsletter for one question about age.)
Recently, in response to Reach For The Sky, I received the following short note and poem. After reading, I was quite intrigued by the author and wanted to learn more. I contacted her and received a most delightful reply. I’d like to share both with you.

Marguerite writes:
As a 65 year old woman, attending my first AirVenture last summer, I was inspired by the possibility that I, too, might learn to fly, and wrote this little poem:
To Fly
To fly, to soar,
To rise above the trees,
To float, to glide,
To be within the breeze.
To duck and dodge,
To fly amongst the clouds.
To see the world, so clean and crisp,
To rise above the crowds.
To feel, to be…
The one who flies the flight.
To lift and swoop
To take in such delight…
To think, to learn,
To have in one’s own hand,
The knowledge and the skill it takes
To fly above the land.
Composed by Marguerite A. Greene
10/19/2007
Marguerite’s response to my inquiry:
Greetings Steve!
Happy New Year to you and also and thank you for writing. You asked about my inspiration?
Well, my inspiration/motivation to fly is a long story, which I’ll try to keep brief. Watching Peter Pan as a child, my sleep was filled with dreams of flying.
Later in life I flew with my husband, who was a pilot, as a passenger only and loved it. Also, I enjoyed commercial flights to visit family. When my husband entered a nursing home with advanced Alzheimer’s, I really needed some purpose. Sixteen years of taking care of him and now I had nothing to do!
A friend, a pilot and CFI, was building a plane, so I offered to help out with the mundane chores; polishing the plane, cleaning and straightening the shop, etc. The work filled a void and became more enjoyable and educational. As I began to learn such things as how to cleco, rivet, and how to time an aircraft engine; I wanted to learn more. What are the functions of the avionics? What about the pitot/static line? What’s their purpose?
Add to the mix, my very first trip, last summer, to Oshkosh, Wisconsin, a world I didn’t know existed. I made the 7-hour trip back and forth from Oshkosh to Indiana on three occasions, to check on things at home. I couldn’t wait to return to Oshkosh to witness the ongoing preparations for AirVenture and to share in the experience.
While volunteering at the Wearhouse, tagging merchandise and helping with Meet & Greet at the Authors’ Corner a few times, I met so many amazing men and women and experienced the privilege of hearing their life stories.
Men like C. E. “Bud” Anderson gave me a hug and signed my copy of his book. Listening to lectures by Patty Wagstaff and Tim Voss, from NASA, and many trips to the museum to learn about other pilots and their accomplishments, deepened by enthusiasm. Rutan and SpaceShipOne, the films of women pilots and also a host of volunteers who shared their stories on those quiet evenings leading up to AirVenture were inspirational. Each is to be admired for their accomplishments and dedication to EAA, and finally watching the “World of AirVenture” become a reality.
So here I sit, at 65, with my Sporty’s Pilot Course on DVD studying ground instructions, challenging myself. Can I do this? All that is for sure is that I want to fly!
Sincerely,
Marguerite Greene
(just call me Marge)
Editor’s Note: You truly are an inspiration to all and you have shown that the challenge of flight is ageless. I’d love to fly with you someday.
| Gordon Steensrud @ 1/23/2008 12:43:22 PM | | the only thing stopping you is your attitude. I'm 79 and am in flight training for the Sport Pilot program and enjoying every minute. |
| | James Evans @ 1/23/2008 12:50:09 PM | Marge, I am very close to your same situation. I am 62, retiring in a few weeks, and "All that is for sure is that I want to fly" too.
Unknowingly, the bug bit me 40 years ago when I flew with a friend who was learning to fly. He later became an Air Force fighter pilot. Now that I will have the time and a few dollars to learn to fly, this bug came at me head on.
I enjoyed your story very much. I think some of us "old timers" still have something that drives us. Right now I feel like a kid with the excitement and anticipation of learning something new and now finding out it was in me all the time.
Best regards,
Just call me Jim
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| | C. M. Hullet @ 1/23/2008 12:57:32 PM | | Marge...yes you are a true inspiration and an acknowledgement of the human spirit!!! You go girl!!! I two would fly with you anytime |
| | Ken Roy @ 1/23/2008 1:21:15 PM | | Loved her poem about flying. I have just turned 71 and am still in there plugging. Going very slowly right now due to loss of job and thus no lessons at this time. Know this too will pass and will carry on. Started out for a Private Ticket,however, now plan to go the LSA route. Took nearly 40 years to get my Mustang G.T.Convertible so know this will come eventually. |
| | Mike Sheetz @ 1/23/2008 1:21:17 PM | I'm 61 and have been taking some lessons over the past 2 years. Our family farm included a small grass strip for flight lessons when I was a kid. I have several family members that have their ticket. I can't wait to get mine. My CFI is my brother. I've already soloed. What a thrill to get my t-shirt tail cut off and the date marked on it and raised on the wall at the airport. I remember that being the traditional mark of accomplishing that goal. One of only 700,000 or so of us Americans that is an active pilot. I'm pumped, and you should be, too. I think you could share more of your story with our EAA Chapter. If you could send me information on how to reach you (I'm also in IN), I would like to see if we could make that happen.
Good luck!
Mike |
| | Jackson Ordean @ 1/23/2008 1:44:51 PM | | I think it was Helen Keller who said,"It's never to late to become the person you were meant to become." Flying is so special; enjoy every second! |
| | Wayne Evans @ 1/23/2008 2:35:35 PM | | Your beautiful poem really hit home. I am now 72. With my loving wife's help, we built and are now flying our own 2 seat sport plane. My dream started when I was 12 and built a plane out of card board boxes and old barn paint. It took only 60 years to make this into a Real Plane. Yes, Marge, it is never never too late to make our lifetime dreams come true. Bless you and Keep flying like an Eagle. |
| | RAY S. ORWIG @ 1/23/2008 3:17:37 PM | | I HAVE A STORY TO TELL, BUT IT'S TO LONG I FEAR, FOR PUBLICATION.IN "50" I HAD ABOUT SEVEN AND A HALF HOURS LOGGED, AND MY INSTRUCTOR TOLD ME THE NEXT TIME I CAME IN, "I WAS TO PICK A NICE DAY"!, I THOUGH HE WAS GOING TO LET ME SOLO,I'D ALL READY PASSED THE WRITTEN TEST, WELL I NEVER WENT BACK!---ALL ALONG I HAD A FEAR OF FLYING,YET I HAD THIS OVERPOWERING INTEREST IN FLYING,AND THE DESIRE TO FLY EVER SINCE I CAN REMEMBER.I KNOW WHAT YOUR GOING TO SAY,"I SHOULD HAVE OVERCOME MY FEAR AND KEPT FLYING"!---I READ,AND STILL DO, EVERYTHING I COULD ABOUT FLYING,I HAVE MORE THAN AN INTEREST IN FLYING , IT'S AN OBSESSION,I LOVE IT,AND EVERYTHING ASSOCIATED WITH IT.IN "69" I DECIDED TO GIVE IT ANOTHER TRY,I KNEW I HAD TO OVERCOME THE FEAR SO AFTER 2 HRS.LOGGED,THE FAA REJECTED MY PHYSICAL,I WAS ON PILLS FOR MY DEPRESSION.SO I NEVER WENT BACK EXCEPT---WHEN MY DAUGHTER WAS 12 I TOOK HER TO THE AIRPORT AT HARRISBURG.PA,AND WITH A KIND, AND UNDERSTANDING INSTRUCTOR ,HE LET ME FLY THE PLANE,A BRAND NEW CESSNA 172,I DID BOTH THE TAKEOFF AND LANDING,I FLEW IT,HE JUST SAT THERE AND ENJOYED THE RIDE.HE TOLD ME WHAT TO SAY TO THE TOWER,LETTING ME DO ALL THE RADIO WORK,THEN WHEN I WAS TAXING BACK TO THE RAMP HE SAID,"WELL RAY,IF YOU EVER GET OFF OF THOSE PILLS,YOU COME BACK AND I'LL MAKE A HELL OF A PILOT OUT OF YOU"---WASN'T THAT NICE?---I NEVER GOT OFF OF THE PILLS,BUT NOW AT "78" I WISH I HAD GONE BACK TO THAT LITTLE AIRPORT AT YORK,PA. WITH A GRASS STRIP RUNWAY,AND WITH FEAR AND ALL ELSE, SOLOED THAT LITTLE TAYORCRAFT SIDE BY SIDE.EVERY DAY I KICK MY ASS FOR NOT DOING THAT,MY LIFE IS,LIKE, SO INCOMPLETE.SORRY THIS GOT SO LONG,MAYBE THAT'S MY PROBLEM,I'M JUST A GOOD TALKER,BUT I NEVER WAS, OR WILL BE A PILOT.THANKS FOR LISTENING,I'M AN EAA MEMBER # 833343,AND A MEMBER OF THE AIRCRAFT OWNERS AND PILOTS ASSN.MAY GOD BLESS YOU, AND ALL OF YOURS, AND HAVE A HAPPY AND SAFE NEW YEAR!!!AGAIN, THANKS---JUST---RAY!!! |
| | David Le Voy @ 1/23/2008 10:24:22 PM | | This is an awsome story that is true many times, for many people. I am 60, and building an RV7,just to stay in the fight of things. Go, Girl,DO IT YOUR WAY. |
| | Gary @ 1/23/2008 11:27:12 PM | Marguerite is, indeed, an inspiration. I guess I'm young at 56, heading into the world of pilots. My Dad always wanted to fly, but left us without going after it. I will fly for him, and for me.
Godspeed, Marguerite! |
| | Paul Hockin @ 1/24/2008 6:33:11 PM | | Marge, I am 58 years old and a new sport pilot. I'm blessed to have my own grass strip and fly more than anyone I know. I'd love to fly with you. Just follow that dream and you too will "commit aviation" (as I like to refer to leaving tera-firma). The only regret most of my fellow aviators have (and one I share) is that they didn't start sooner! You can and will fly! And I guarantee you will never be the same. Love your poem....God Bless you. |
| | Bob Fulmer @ 1/25/2008 1:05:27 PM | Hi Marge:
In the summer of 05 my wife, tired of me draging her to every airshow, air display, collection etc for over 45 years, And, watching me read 7 Aviation Mags each and every month from cover to cover, looked at me one day in July and said....."Hey you. I'm tired of watching you read about the thing you love and not doing it. You've gotton your Son's flying lessons when they showed interest, and your Grand-son too when he was here visiting. You look up everytime a small plane (and big one too) flys over the house. You talk about wanting to build an airplane, (and I know you can) but, for what????....you won't be able to fly it. So here's the deal..."SHOW ME THE PILOT CERTIFICATE...THE TOTAL PRIVATE PILOT ONE...and you got a deal....I'll watch you, listen to you, continue to go look with you and I'll do one more thing....."I'LL FLY WITH YOU" like I've done everything else you've done all these years. That's all I've got to say on the subject...."
Well Marge...4 days later I was at the airport and came home to tell her I had signed up for Ground School and my first class (of 10) would be that night. I completed that school, and started the next day on Flight Lessons. 3 months later on Dec 7th 05 I solo'ed and two months later yet...I took my Flight Test and received my Private Pilot Lic on Feb 7, 06. I was 67 years old...the oldest, the school had ever trained and the oldest my Flight Exam. ever tested. I felt like I was a very young man. I've doubled my hours since that day, found a Flying Club to make flying more affordable and love every minute of it. I'm past 70 now, scheduled to take my first BFR in two weeks and looking forward to it.
my wife flys with me everytime I ask her to, and some before I can ask. Go live your dream....you'll love every minute of it and you'll love knowing you can. Bob |
| | Chuck Griswold @ 1/26/2008 12:23:51 AM | What a wonderful poem that Marge wrote. It reminds me of John Gillespie McGee, the world war two Spitfire pilot, who was only 19 when he wrote: "Oh I have slipped the surly bonds of earth... and put out my hand and touched the face of God". I took my first flying lesson about the same time that he wrote the poem in 1941.
Now I am 81 years old and have flown all over these United States, and even in Australia. My daughter, who learned to fly with me, now flies her 747 to China and Australia. And just tonight I answered an e-mail from a young man who asked if I would be his instructor for the new Sport Pilot license. I plan to be in Lakeland, Florida in April and again in Oshkosh in July looking for another airplane, maybe a light sport, to continue teaching the joy of flight. I would add a little two line poem which I have repeated to all who would listen: "Flying is the fountain of youth, it will last until we fly to heaven" |
| | Marguerite Greene @ 1/26/2008 9:25:37 AM | | To all who have taken time to write here, you too, are included on my list of memorable people who continue to inspire, influence and encourage me...My studies continue with renewed fervor...and I'm tickled you enjoyed my little poem...Thanks to each of you...Just call me Marge. |
| | Derrilyn Reinking @ 1/29/2008 7:58:13 PM | I knew when I met you, that you are an amazing women in many ways. Here is just one more way you are proving it to the world. Love you! I am so proud to know you!
I will have to stop in soon and see you! (I sent this story to a freind of mine named Janet.) |
| | Janet @ 2/1/2008 11:32:01 AM | Hi there Marge! What a girl!
I love your poem! My Papa took me for my first plane ride probably 60 years ago. I had to wait til age 45 to get my ticket! I've been a volunteer at OSHKOSH in the warbird area for 12 years and LOVE those WARBIRDS! You stay at it and you will succeed at flying. It is wonderful! Nuttin like it!
Best Wishes...is that cleeer? |
| | Marvin H. Fried @ 2/21/2008 11:37:57 AM | | HiMarge, I'm just about to begin to fly again after many years and I will be 77 on 2/24. You are an inspiration and I'm sure your flying in that special place only felt by pilots in the sky. Marvin |
| | Ann Herbst @ 3/16/2008 12:53:53 PM | After caring for my late husband, I now find I have the time to follow my dream and at 77 am finishing my private pilot license.
I am also a student pilot in gliders and soar every summer.
Age is just a number!!
Eat right, exercise and keep yourself healthy so you can fly for many years. |
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